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In the fall of 2022, the Rubin Museum’s BRAINWAVE® talk series explored the five afflictive mind states with onstage conversations between people from all walks of life paired with a scientist.

In this bonus episode, hosted by AWAKEN executive producer Tania Ketenjian, we have interwoven recordings from the BRAINWAVE program with neuroscientist Tracy Dennis-Tiwary’s understanding of the challenging emotions explored in the podcast. Guests include Bibi Bahrami, Dr. Philip Corlett, Janeane Garofalo, Jean Grae, Dr. Hedy Kober, Richard “Mac” McKinney, Dr. Kevin Ochsner, Khenpo Pema, Dr. Adriana Renero, and Joshua Seftel.

View the Vairochana Mandala and the Mandala Lab, which inspired this season of AWAKEN.


AWAKEN is produced by the Rubin Museum of Art with Dawn Eshelman, Tenzin Gelek, Jamie Lawyer, and Christina Watson in collaboration with SOUND MADE PUBLIC including Tania Ketenjian, Emma Vecchione, Philip Wood, and Jeremiah Moore.

Music by Hannis Brown and Alexis Cuadrado.


AWAKEN Season 2 is part of the Rubin Museum’s Mandala Lab multiyear initiative generously supported by 39 donors and sponsors. Lead support is provided by the Milton and Sally Avery Arts Foundation, Barbara Bowman, The Pierre and Tana Matisse Foundation, Rasika and Girish Reddy, Shelley and Donald Rubin, and the Tiger Baron Foundation.

Public funding is provided by the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council, and the New York State Council on the Arts with the support of the Office of the Governor and the New York State Legislature.

This project is supported in part by the National Endowment for the Arts.

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