

Annabella Pitkin:
When Buddhists talk about interdependence, they’re really talking about the most fundamental Buddhist perspective on the way that we all exist and the way everything around us exists.
Dr. Nida Chenagtsang:
Today’s problem is that we try to ignore the power of interdependence.
Devendra Banhart:
Welcome to season 5 of AWAKEN, a podcast from the Rubin Museum of Himalayan Art about the dynamic path to enlightenment and what it means to “wake up.” I am Devendra Banhart, a singer, songwriter, and your host for this season of AWAKEN, where we are exploring interdependence, a fundamental concept in Buddhism and in life.
Nicholas Christakis:
How you act or how you think or how you feel comes to depend on how others around you act, think, and feel. And that ripples through the network. And comes to affect your life.
Pamela Ayo Yetunde:
We belong together. We are making an impression upon one another. The lived experience of compassion, love, and interdependence is intertwined.
Devendra Banhart:
We’ll hear from experts in the realms of art, social science, and Buddhism to discover how awareness of our interdependence can be the wake up call that motivates actions for a better world. Himalayan art has long been a pathway to insights and awakening, and in this season, we look at a painting in the Rubin Museum’s collection of the Wheel of Life to see what it can teach us about the interconnected nature of existence.
Annabella Pitkin:
The Wheel of Life is a really straightforward, ethical teaching. It says, wake up to the fact that we’re all in this together and let’s start acting like we are.
Devendra Banhart:
Wake up to what is possible. Tune in to Season 5 of AWAKEN wherever you get your podcasts.
Welcome to Season 5 of AWAKEN—a Webby Honoree podcast about the dynamic path to enlightenment and what it means to “wake up.” This season explores interdependence, a fundamental concept in Buddhism and in life that describes the mutual dependence of everything and experience. Hosted by singer, songwriter, and artist Devendra Banhart, the series focuses on a painting of the Wheel of Life from the Rubin Museum’s collection to see what it can teach us about the interconnected nature of existence. Experts in the realms of art, social science, Buddhism, and more illuminate how greater awareness of interdependence can be the wake up call that motivates actions for a better world.
Trailer voices in order of appearance: associate professor of Buddhism and East Asian religions Annabella Pitkin; Tibetan physician, scholar, and founder and medical director of the Sowa Rigpa Institute Dr. Nida Chenagtsang; singer, songwriter, and artist Devendra Banhart; social scientist, physician, and professor Nicholas A. Christakis; pastoral counselor, teacher, and author Pamela Ayo Yetunde.
AWAKEN Season 5 will launch on August 19, 2025.
Devendra Banhart is an internationally renowned musician considered a pioneer of the “freak folk” and “New Weird America” movements. Banhart has toured, performed, and collaborated with Vashti Bunyan, Yoko Ono, Os Mutantes, the Swans, ANOHNI, Caetano Veloso, and Beck, among others. His musical work exists symbiotically alongside his pursuits in the other fine arts including painting, poetry, and drawing. The Venezuelan American has released 11 albums. His drawings and paintings have appeared in galleries all over the world, including the Art Basel Contemporary Art Fair in Miami; San Francisco Museum of Modern Art; Palais des Beaux-Arts in Brussels; Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles; Nicodim Gallery; and Serralves.
Annabella Pitkin is associate professor of Buddhism and East Asian religions at Lehigh University. Her research focuses on Tibetan Buddhist modernity, Buddhist ideals of renunciation, miracle narratives, and Buddhist biographies. She received her BA from Harvard University and PhD in religion from Columbia University. She is the author of Renunciation and Longing: The Life of a Twentieth-Century Himalayan Buddhist Saint, which explores themes of non-attachment and teacher-student relationship in the life of Khunu Lama Tenzin Gyaltsen. More →
Dr. Nida Chenagtsang is a renowned Tibetan physician, scholar, and lineage holder of the Yuthok Nyingthig, the unique spiritual tradition within Tibetan medicine. Born in Amdo, Tibet, he began his medical training at the local hospital before earning his degree from Lhasa Tibetan Medical University in 1996. Alongside his medical studies, Dr. Nida immersed himself in Vajrayana Buddhism, receiving training from esteemed masters across all Tibetan Buddhist schools, with a focus on the Longchen Nyingthig, Dudjom Tersar, and Yuthok Nyingthig traditions. A well-known poet in his youth, he has published books and articles on Sowa Rigpa and Yuthok Nyingthig, as well as groundbreaking research on ancient Tibetan healing practices. As the founder and medical director of the Sowa Rigpa Institute, Dr. Nida continues to share the wisdom of Tibetan medicine worldwide.
Nicholas A. Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH, is the Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University. His work is in the fields of network science and biosocial science. He directs the Human Nature Lab and is the co-director of the Yale Institute for Network Science. He was elected to the National Academy of Medicine in 2006; the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2010; the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2017; and the National Academy of Sciences in 2024.
Pamela Ayo Yetunde is a pastoral counselor in private practice. She is the co-editor of Black and Buddhist: What Buddhism Can Teach Us About Race Resilience, Transformation and Freedom and author of Casting Indra’s Net: Fostering Spiritual Kinship and Community and Dearly Beloved: Prince, Spirituality, and This Thing Called Life.
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